>>guest: california has a history of problems with the energy sector with manipulation before. it is probably a legitimate question to ask. is someone gouging along the way? the other relief that will be coming to california soon is that the governor, jerry brown, there is a different type of gasoline you can produce in the winter in california than in the summer because of the smog, it puts requirements more stringent in the summer. he said, look, i will allow you to produce the winter blend earlier than the end of october, start putting it right away. it is easier to make, and the refineries can produce more gas more quickly. the prices will come down. >>shepard: we her it was going way, way up at the beginning of the summer but it went down but now they are busting people's budgets. >>guest: california is isolated market with no pipelines coming in from the gulf coast or other states. they make it there. this is a reminder of how tight the system is in the united states for refineries. with a local refinery problem you will have problems with the local gas price. >>shepard: